we do not want to go off the fiscal cliff. martha: the white house is saying, obviously, they will not do any deal that does not include what was one of their number one campaign motivations and slogans, and that was that taxes must go up. the tax rate must go up on the rich. so what are you going to do with that? >> look, the president said he wanted revenues, we provided revenues -- martha: he's saying tax rates must go up, and are you saying there is no way still that that will happen, not even the slightest bit? >> new taxes are coming out with obamacare. we're continuing to tax individuals. we're harming our growth. can we get the revenue the president asks? yes, we can, with protecting the growth in the economy x. that's what we provided to the president. the president continues to change the goalpost along this process. we think what has to happen here now that if we agreed to revenue, let's talk about the balanced approach and the two and a half times the spending cuts. the president won't talk about that. in geithner'